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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 4, 2010 9:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 2-12-70 Ungano's - The Mystery Show....

Thought I'd mention, over at Lost Live Dead there is a new & lengthy post about the fabled 2/12/70 show, with many speculations & maybe some answers. I rattle on at length over there, so I'll just quietly link here -


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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jan 5, 2010 2:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2-12-70 Ungano's - The Mystery Show....

Very informative post about this "Mystery Show".
Thanks for posting it! The research was great. The odd tour schedule mentioned in the article is really not all that odd though, by Grateful Dead standards! If you follow a map of some of early tours by the band you will see some odd patterns from time to time. They took paying gigs where they could get them. Rock Scully was not the greatest of managers either, and neither was Lenny Hart.

It is not all that hard to imagine that the 2/12/70 gig was already scheduled as a promotional show, and Bill Graham allowed that into consideration in booking The Grateful Dead, since they were going to be in New York anyway, to play at the Fillmore East. His staff, who had just heard the Allman Brothers in December had already told Bill that that would be a perfect match. They were right.

I still contend that the 2/12/70 recording that circulates under that date is actually the 2/13/70 early show at Fillmore East.

Charlie Miller's 2/13/70 show compared with the purported 2/12/70 "Ungano's" show disprove the 2/12/70 recording date by the song selections, the song timings, (both the same), and when Jerry says's that this was just the "early show".
Back to back the recordings are identical.

Then of course there is Bear who denies that either the Ungano's gig or an "early show" at Fillmore East ever really occurred... the mystery continues.

This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2010-01-05 10:39:18

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jan 5, 2010 3:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2-12-70 Ungano's - The Mystery Show....

Yes, but I believe by this time they may have been under the Parker-Cutler Tour plan, which sought to streamline and make more efficient the tour schedule {meaning trying not to have dates scheduled all over the place} so they could start making more money from touring.
I know Sam Cutler says in his upcoming book that he officially joins as tour manager at the Hawaii gigs in Jan. so the theory that Lost Live Dead puts forth is possible although it could also be that they needed to fill the weekend and there was an opening at the Filmore East and it was profitable enough to warrant the trip.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 5, 2010 6:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2-12-70 Ungano's - The Mystery Show....

The Ungano's show, to the best of my close knowledge, did not take place. I attended the 2-11,13,and 14 shows (early and late). I never missed a NYC Dead show that I know of. The Ungano's ad was widely noticed, and every NY head went up there to try to score tickets, myself included. I was told at the door in no uncertain terms that this show had been cancelled due to conflicts with BGP. No tickets. They could have proudly said, "sold out," but they did not. I know at least a dozen people who tried and got the same response. Further, no one that I knew went or even pretended to have gone.

Mind you, my take is no more gospel than anyone elses, but I surely would have heard some report, some gossip, someone crowing about having been there. Nada.

But I can at least confirm, Mr. Owsley that there were two shows per night. Ad I can confirm the Action Theater, Rock Palce, and 11-16-70 Fillmore East shows, all of which I attended. With the Capitol shows a week earlier, it was Grateful Dead heaven.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jan 5, 2010 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 2-12-70 Ungano's - The Mystery Show....

Well that pretty much confirms it then. No Ungano's show.

So much for that mystery. Thanks, GoP